tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post7609169211021493703..comments2023-11-05T03:16:22.246-08:00Comments on converbike: We are "cyclists"Yokota Fritzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04808661100114872654noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post-53173274794350267582009-11-02T09:01:23.194-08:002009-11-02T09:01:23.194-08:00Of course he's right. This is a real Grant Pet...Of course he's right. This is a real Grant Peterson-ian argument, too, and one he's been making for at least a decade. "The Plain Clothes Cyclist" and all it implies.Pete LaVerghettahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12435804228394909983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post-42015976475317542302009-11-02T09:22:47.738-08:002009-11-02T09:22:47.738-08:00A thousand times yes! This is very basic. Stop t...A thousand times yes! This is very basic. Stop trying to make cycling "cool" and just make it common, make it a basic transportation option like any other... People don't want to save the environment they just want to save money and live a good life. Strip the crusade out of it and the appeal widens.Josh Brownhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07335541577471192187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post-44156205035113554132009-11-02T10:36:36.580-08:002009-11-02T10:36:36.580-08:00=v= I bike every day so I'm usually clad in ev...=v= I bike every day so I'm usually clad in everyday clothes. I suspect I look pretty normal except for my folding bike, which attracts questions, and I think that's fine. In general I go for leading by <a href="http://yehudamoon.com/index.php?date=2009-03-04" rel="nofollow">example</a>.<br><br>You have to get the word out there somehow, though. The one part of the presentation that I took issue with was not to talk about health, saving the planet, etc. No harm in speaking truth to power now and then; <a href="http://www.critical-mass.org/" rel="nofollow">once a month</a> isn't a bad schedule.<br><br>By definition there's no way to make something cool. It's not a bad strategy to hitch your wagon to that star if the opportunity comes along. Just be, you know, cool about it.Jymhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15675802996264542565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post-66557597696270648222009-11-02T13:08:20.418-08:002009-11-02T13:08:20.418-08:00Hey now, how do we know there isn't an active ...Hey now, how do we know there <i>isn't</i> an active subculture of people who repair vacuum cleaners in their underwear?Jenniferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07835079257789098964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post-64950596726612044702009-11-02T13:26:31.522-08:002009-11-02T13:26:31.522-08:00It occurs to me that "computer culture" ...It occurs to me that "computer culture" doesn't detract from widespread computer use.Jenniferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07835079257789098964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post-69555835942905300382009-11-02T13:26:31.521-08:002009-11-02T13:26:31.521-08:00@Jen: Just for you I searched for "vacuum fet...@Jen: Just for you I searched for "vacuum fetish" and came away feeling pretty icky.Yokota Fritzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04808661100114872654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post-88669333706812976352009-11-02T19:20:41.801-08:002009-11-02T19:20:41.801-08:00I was wondering why more folks weren't in the ...I was wondering why more folks weren't in the League of Illinois Bicyclists, and then figured that people didn't join the LEague of ILlinois Light Bulb Users, either. <br> However, there is room for actively building consensus so's to have more effective leverage and momentum in carving our niche on the pavement, so to speak.SiouxGeonzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14852040976080951492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post-90281183311205405772009-11-03T08:31:11.191-08:002009-11-03T08:31:11.191-08:00I think the bike culture identity started in the v...I think the bike culture identity started in the very early '80s when "soccer moms" started joining bike clubs with their kids, and they began the push for helmets and special clothing. Just like in the Jane Fonda Workout Tapes. And "everyone must" wear helmets, if only to "make a good impression on the kids".<br><br>Now, if you don't wear the uniform or the unnecessary hat, you're certainly NOT welcome at any bike club event. The uniform and hat isolate the "bike culture" from everyone else, as they constantly push for them to be required.<br><br>It's a real shame.Rapid Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post-73739382081019333302009-11-03T09:15:40.889-08:002009-11-03T09:15:40.889-08:00Huh? I thought "bike culture" meant some...Huh? I thought "bike culture" meant something different?Jenniferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07835079257789098964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1288241767940554093.post-83304602076398958122009-11-04T07:22:50.921-08:002009-11-04T07:22:50.921-08:00I think there is a middle way here. Much of this o...I think there is a middle way here. Much of this obsession is cultural as you suggest in your article. Most of my friends do obsess over their cars. I think the area that cyclist need to clean up their act is the arrogance. I don't like walking into very many bike shops and can't stand many club rides for this reason alone. Why are these people arrogant? Why not be more helpful? Cyclist need to stop with the us versus' them attitude!ZenDudehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12092484443272333549noreply@blogger.com